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May 02 2011

Lily/Liver [May 2 - May 7]

How fitting. Fog bound in hangover, sitting in my corner caff for some remedial grease, I discover that 1ac in the Times crossword is all about Lily (my numerical table mate at last night’s Logies), and the liver (the traumatised purifier I’ll need to pamper this afternoon).

imagesCA7UOCGT A great night, by the way. Quite surreal to look along the marble wall of the Crown Palladium’s urinal, and see in profile the who’s who of TV doing you know what. The after-party was no less weird. The ballroom’s foyer had been transformed into a lab-maze of milk crates, furnished with a stuffed bear, a plywood moose and plasma screens imitating fireplaces. Like a a crossword really, where you never know what’s lurking around the next corner.

Which brings us onto Times 8992 (and beyond). A benign outing, with several tasty clues, even in my condition. Though 11ac could do with a question mark (to preserve the gag), and I’m inclined to aim my huh question towards 15ac. And here’s a prediction: your last corner to fill will be two entries in the SW quadrant.

If you care to join us for Our Troubled Times all week, then here’s your chance to start – soberly I trust.

PS – if you haven’t seen L&N for a while, then tune in this week for finals of Series 2. Some dynamite games in prospect.

Comments

DC — 02 May at 11:34AM

The liver is looking at me, man.

RK — 02 May at 12:44PM

This is my 30th Times puzzle and it looks like it's going to get the better of me. I'm stuck on 3 clues.

I agree 11AC needs a question mark, then again, maybe the man in question was also great in bed. I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation for 15AC but until someone enlightens me it's a big huh here too.

I also don't understand all of the wordplay in 7DN.

SK — 02 May at 01:01PM

Archies one day...Logies the next. Oh, the life of a multi-media celebrity! DA, I'm surprised you didn't get a bait to Will and Kate's?

DA — 02 May at 01:51PM

Just call me Zelig, SK.

@RK - last month in crosswordese can sometimes be ULT, as in ultima. Throw that in SAN, another esoteric shorthand, and you're pretty much home.

Boniface — 02 May at 03:36PM

Speaking of Zelig, a surprise that no-one used MOCKUMENTARY in the last storm.

I've solved 8992 and will try to join in when I can on others in your quest for the Holy Grail, DA. I had a couple of queries tho:

- 15A, use of crossing (got the rec but where's the other imp?)

- 'this writer's' in 21D (got the set/gel bit hence gimel).

DA — 02 May at 03:49PM

Your question made me see the second trouble-maker, namely Ate, Greek goddess of vengeance and havoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At%C3%AB

Hence IMP[REC]+ATE

One down - five to go this week.

RK — 02 May at 04:06PM

@Boniface: Maybe 'this writer's' is meant as 'this writer is' being 'I'm'.

Boniface — 02 May at 04:21PM

@RK - Yes, that seems right. Tried to justify 'I'm' before but didn't think to interpret the apostrophe as a contraction.

@DA - Ate - must have missed lectures that day...

Still, 1/1, saved on the defs.

Boniface — 02 May at 04:42PM

Quick! Who's going to be first to clue Abbottabad! Any hints required?!

dg — 02 May at 06:10PM

"A great night, by the way. Quite surreal to look along the marble wall of the Crown Palladium’s urinal, and see in profile the who’s who of TV doing you know what. "

A higher class of peers, hey? :)

RK — 03 May at 10:39AM

Times 8993 finished before morning tea? Must be another 'gentle' rating.

Nothing too taxing, but nothing that really delighted me either.

My two queries relate to exactly how the first two letters of 4DN are derived, and the wordplay of 19AC.

As for how yesterday's puzzle ended up, I'm just not ready to talk about it...

DA — 03 May at 10:51AM

Beat me to it. A doddle really, with something of a transport theme - four clues - draped around two literary works. Odd.

Loved the surface gloss of 3dn and 5dn. While 17ac prompted a smile.

Anthony Douglas — 03 May at 01:48PM

After a weekendus horribilus, I'm back in business.

RK, for my money, 4dn - if my car works, it XXes; 19ac is a deletion of one letter - perhaps an instance of piracy? Sleeping on the job, perhaps?

I'm stuck on the wordplay for 18dn, though the answer's obvious. 11ac was my last - I was taking business too broadly.

Seems to me that the clue for 6 down has an unnecessary s at the end. And not a fan of the type of clue used for 22ac, given the obscurity of the answer. Still, it's a long way from the appalling pinata-fail of the Sunday Times!

RK — 03 May at 02:04PM

Oh der, I was thinking 'last character' meant R, so I was very confused.

I didn't have OBVIOUS for 18DN. Ah, just a little joke there Anthony. The def is the first two words, then 'heavy goods vehicle' is the first 5 letters, followed by left and then E for the last letter of warehouse.

Anthony Douglas — 03 May at 03:53PM

My der moment. It's an abbreviation. I was trying to riff off polar icecaps, find ways to move the last letter (of the five) to the front, everything. Even thinking of warehousing T (at last).

Boniface — 04 May at 01:44AM

I'm through too. Hey did you notice the Z-deletion was the same one I used in my example when we did the deletions alphabet? "Maybe the" to define article in 18D was a tad tricky. I'm cautious with the 4-letter words as I suspect Airy-like behaviour at times...

RK — 04 May at 11:35AM

Times 8994 seemed inpenetrable at first, but ended up quite achievable with nice tight clues and no obscure words in sight.

I particularly liked 3DN, for both definition and wordplay as well as 20DN for a well hidden def. 9AC didn't seem like it had enough words in it at first, and 4DN is an underutilised word.

Two fairly easy ones in a row.

Boniface — 04 May at 12:10PM

Agreed. I liked 6D def as well as 20D. 26A def a bit wide if you've never been to the UK.
3/3 for me I believe...

DA — 04 May at 12:30PM

Yet to solve the whole. I find this compiler - the prince of 12s often in his outer framework much tougher, and less fun.

At first sweep, netted 11 answers, though in disparate corners. This could require a stiff coffee and maybe a Thai beef salad. About now.

DA — 04 May at 01:59PM

Zucchini & bacon soup instead. Pretty chilly in Melbourne today. And crossword cracked - No 18 for anyone who's counting.

Still reckon 4dn is a rude word, or is that just my upbringing?

My picks were 15dn - tidy - and the deception of 3dn. Curiously, I introduced myself to the waiter, a lovely bloke I'd seen before, and his name was 5dn.

RK — 04 May at 02:11PM

My lunch wasn't as fancy as yours DA, but the sun's out in Sydney (finally) and it's feeling almost balmy.

I know what you mean about 4DN, but maybe that's just an Australian expression?

And for another 5DN see Nib at Adios a Maniac @11.47.

Anthony Douglas — 04 May at 03:44PM

Continuing with 5dn...

I'm not having as good a time of this one - got 9ac first, and then nothing at all in the top half of the puzzle. Figured I'd be doing this one bottom up. Had looked at 5dn, figured which bit was defn and which wordplay, picked the first three letters...and stuck. Unbelievable how the brain works (or not!) some days. And then, simply hearing about DA's waiter instantly put the answer in my head.

Not strictly done without unauthorised information, but still. And then the next couple of minutes cleared the whole top half, barring 10dn. Also not a fan of 12-letter words!

At some point, I expect I'm going to have to ask for the wordplay explanation on 1ac. I'm completely in the dark.

Boniface — 04 May at 04:17PM

Anthony - think rancid.

Anthony Douglas — 04 May at 04:57PM

Thanks Bon - kind of you to to presume I'd remember the other word's more obscure defn! ;-)

2 to go to make it 2 in a row...

Anthony Douglas — 04 May at 08:40PM

Done, with the proviso that 21ac seems, well, to be an awkward definition. Fingers crossed.

RK — 04 May at 08:55PM

I feel the same way about 21AC, Anthony.

Just did the Araucaria from yesterday's Guardian. For someone with a bit of a moth phobia, I don't know how I feel about being described as a 12AC! An enjoyable puzzle though.

SK — 04 May at 10:36PM

I haven't been playing in the Premier League this week as you folk have, but I was just mucking around with today's SMH (by DP) and came across one of those great clues that has two equally viable (and in this case amusing) answers. I wonder if DP realised this.

26a "Unmarried female spider?" (8)

I immediately wrote "HUNTSMAN", and had a chuckle. But I was wrong...

Anthony Douglas — 04 May at 10:41PM

SK, doesn't that one belong on the sexism post?! Nice find.

RK - let's join the revolution. Won't be the first time we've been wrong together ;-)

SK — 05 May at 07:26AM

Yeah, good point Anthony.

(Btw, before all the purists get up in arms, I did realise that, technically, the clue would have to be something like "What might an unmarried female spider do?" for my answer to truly fit. But the presence of the question mark implies trickery, and with many setters, a fair degree of liberty, so I didn't think my HUNTSMAN answer was a million miles off the mark)

DA — 05 May at 08:55AM

(For viewers at home, the bona fide spider was SPINSTER. It's quite a nice clue in the libertarian vein.)

As for today's crossword - took four minutes to solve, and rates 4/10. I solved it in robotic fashion as the tea cooled - far too many prosaic clues.

Thought 26dn was a comic addition to our gender chat, while 8dn seems to have a miscast definition. Felt as though I'd seen it all before, which is eerily possible.

RK — 05 May at 09:07AM

Gosh, someone got out of the wrong side of bed this morning. Maybe this one is your 'prince of 12s'. It's taking me a bit longer than 4 minutes, but I'm doing ok so far. (My tea is still brewing.) I like the Victorian chapter heading tone to 3DN and I thought 18AC was clever enough. I actually have written beside 26AC 'sexist!' and was imagining the response if it was a dim wife instead.

Where's that tea....

RK — 05 May at 10:01AM

OK, it was a bit of a non-event.

DA, when you said '8dn seems to have a miscast definition' were you referring to 8AC? If so, I'm not sure what you mean. I think the clue works.

DA — 05 May at 10:10AM

Yes, I meant 8ac. Surely the answer is a display of false emotion, rather than false emotion unto itself? OK, maybe I did wake up grumpy, but still - ?

RK — 05 May at 10:54AM

I can see your point, but I think you're just looking for flaws. The definition which threw me was 21DN. I've never heard it used in that way, except in the negative as in, something is 'not all it's cracked up to be'.

Boniface — 05 May at 11:33AM

Yep, no-brainer today. I think this setter needs to make the definitions a bit harder, like DA, this was a bit of a fill-in for me. At least Greenland wasn't clued using lime-light.

Anthony Douglas — 05 May at 02:51PM

4 minutes? Really? That's very quick time just for reading and writing! I'm satisfied with my under four hours (with breaks) - 3/3 for me.

Oddly, for such an easy puzzle, I'm unclear (there's a pun) on three of the wordplays (9d, for the pun, 8ac, 19dn.

18ac was clever, but would have been better if they'd used 'for' rather than 'needing' to smooth the surface sense.

I note (re an earlier discussion) that key in 22ac was not a one-for-one abbreviation.

RK — 05 May at 10:02PM

9DN: LUCE (fish) in - TRANS (schools, not one) and C (caught) in NY (city)

8AC: CROCODILES (a succession of children's) about TEAR (race)

19DN: CU (copper) in AIT (island) Y (variable)

DA — 05 May at 10:06PM

Off to BrizVegas at first light, heading up to a literary festival that competes directly with a Trans-Tasman League Test. (Let's see which lure has the stronger draw: books or biffo.)

Will tackle the Times both days, but maybe not so easy to post my comments afoot. Normal services to resume Monday.

Anthony Douglas — 05 May at 11:04PM

Thanks RK - I'll assume ait is another Scrabble word. Crocodiles left me no clearer, so I resorted to the web...more British slang. Makes the clue even easier over there, I guess.

Ait = eyot. Ok, I get it. There was one of those in spitting distance from me that just sold yesterday or the day before (in the Shoalhaven River).

RK — 06 May at 07:40PM

Knew it was all too good to be true. The easy run had to end sometime. Times 8996 has been a hard slog. I'm sure it even took DA a little longer than 4 minutes.

At this stage I only have one unfilled answer (5DN) but there are several others that have me concerned.

I'm not asking for any clues/spoilers for 5DN at this stage, but I am wondering if anyone else has got it.

Anthony Douglas — 06 May at 09:26PM

Yup, it's harder, alright. 5 to go for me, and I expect 5 dn will be my last if I get there! I'll let you know if I make it...

RK — 07 May at 07:36AM

Just worked out 5DN in the shower! It's amazing how a seemingly impossible clue can be solved when you allow your mind to approach the words from a completely different angle. It was one of those clues that really locked my brain into a certain way of thinking.

(I hope I'm right...)

Anthony Douglas — 07 May at 02:35PM

I'd figured out the various options for the two words, but didn't know the term and was nowhere on the wordplay. Still kicking myself on 23dn, having thought of peers as a possible fit.

Today's is going much better - just 20dn to go. I have a word that fits, but it doesn't quite 'make the penny drop' as far as the clue goes.

RK — 07 May at 06:59PM

Survived yesterday's somehow.

Today I'm annoyingly stuck on 20DN. The only word that springs to mind is the same as yours, Anthony, which doesn't seem right at all. No doubt it's someone's name like our friend Mr Airy.

I really want to get this one out, as it will be my 5th in a row. Not quite a PB, but the best I've done in a while.

Anthony Douglas — 07 May at 07:22PM

Got it! Goodness knows whether I'd read the name some time in the distant past, or it happened to coincide with another person with a similar moniker, but I got it.

I hope that this leak won't dissuade you in your quest, but URINAL it ain't.

If you work from the premise that it's a name, it is possible to get there on wordplay alone.

RK — 07 May at 08:42PM

I think I've got it, but I can't be sure as it's not a name I know. My wordplay consists of three components. I'll sleep on it.

DA — 07 May at 08:49PM

Gday RK and Anthony - seems you two have been conducting a workshop a deux. Well done for cracking Friday's walnut.

Just home from Surfers, a great lit-fest in the eternal sunshine, and have yet to spot a Weekend Oz. Will unravel the puzzle and prattle tomorrow.

Boniface — 08 May at 08:14PM

Nailed Friday's and Saturday's so I am on 6. Friday's was a sweat but recalled the haircut eventually. The engineer is gettable from the word play if not familiar.

DA — 08 May at 08:18PM

About to sit down with my other half, a long whiskey, a movie, and Saturday's puzzle on my lap, for #20 - after that pesky haircut, and the champion fish.

(Loved the rabbit stew of 3dn. A clue to chew for days.)

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