February 25 2011
The Loroso Report - Paraph to Spurtle
Only seven clues go under the Loroso loupe, but these seven generate a 1000 words of cryptic lore: one part essay, one part assay. Some controversies too, including the inspired cheek of SK’s ‘mint cream’ clue. Plenty of debate can be enjoyed on the comments page below. While tomorrow, the Loroso Report concludes with the tail-enders, and the overall winners announced.
PARAPH: Father, Lauren, Noel, finish with a flourish (JD)
Oh, how naughty is this? In the UK we have a setter who uses the pseudonyms Enigmatist, Nimrod and Elgar. He’s a personal friend and someone who has a wicked sense of humour that frequently peppers his clues. Everyone knows he takes risks and they love him for it – this clue is just the sort of thing he’ll throw at us; NEOL to suggest the removal of L? Yeah, why not? Well, maybe there is a reason (I emphasise ‘maybe’); my instinct here is to think that the spelt-out version of the letter L is ELL not EL which, sadly, would consign this sterling effort to the ‘nice try but not quite’ file. In any case, regardless of the correct spelling this sort of device can only work if the solver is given sufficient warning that something unusual is going on, so you might have this section of the clue written as ‘Noel(!)’ – the lack of such a warning tends to throw the solver off the scent unfairly.
PARAPH: Signature flourish beyond base measure? (Sam)
For those unfamiliar with what a paraph is, it’s a flourish added to the bottom of a signature, usually to make forgery difficult. For a clue-writer it’s always tempting to seek out a cryptic definition because this can, in the right circumstances, lead to something memorable. But those circumstances have to be right. They are wrong when the answer is an obscure word because, no matter how well observed the cryptic definition may be, the solver has to be familiar with the full meaning of a word to understand it. This clue starts with something which serves as a fair definition in its own right, but the solver would need to know – in advance – quite a bit more about what a paraph is to understand what the rest of the clue refers to. It’s a very nice idea, but far too difficult for a solver to grasp (and in any case – to be honest – I’m not entirely sure what the role of ‘measure’ is).
SEIGNIORAGE: For ages, I ignore peppermint cream (SK)
There have been several clues in this little bunch where component parts have been strung together to form single words; a big no-no to Ximeneans, a big smile to Libertarians of the darkest hue. The reading of this clue looks highly promising with a smooth surface marred only very slightly by a not entirely plausible story but, while the anagram fodder leaps out in a friendly fashion, the indicator doesn’t really cut the mustard. Even once we’ve separated ‘pepper’ from ‘mint’ we’re left with the question of whether or not ‘pepper’ can be fairly expected to suggest a mixing up of letters. As a verb it can mean ‘to scatter’ so, at first, it’s tempting to think all is well – but not so fast, amigo. If ‘pepper’ is operating as a verb it has to do so as an imperative, which means it has to go in front of the anagram fodder (it must be imperative – an instruction telling the solver what to do with the letters AGES I IGNORE). It’s a pity because the idea here is lovely and ‘mint cream’ is an imaginative definition; perhaps a touch ‘out there’ but solvers would enjoy the realisation.
SKIRL: Drunken risk near learner driver causes a shriek (JT)
Hmm. OK, my problem here is the first two words (the rest is superb); for me, ‘drunken risk’ doesn’t come across as in any way convincing. However, there is an easy, very quick fix. Just replace ‘near’ with ‘by’ and you have a belter of a clue. And it might be even better if the anagram indicator ‘drunken’ is replaced with the (perhaps more likely?) ‘careless’.
SKIRL: Scream downhill on both hands! (SimonL)
Excellent effort, this, with a beautiful surface reading and a great verb usage of ‘downhill’. There is one teensy problem, one with which many UK solvers have grudgingly come to agree with but which some setters and setters aren’t worried about. In an across clue (so maybe this intended as a down clue?) if you have ‘on’ to indicate a charade it is now commonly agreed that the ‘on’ part appears after the first bit – so here we’d be saying SKI appears after R/L. The rule was introduced because ‘on’ was being used to indicate either position of the appropriate components, which in many cases put unfair demands on solvers. Since it’s far easier to show A before B it was mutually agreed between many editors that ‘on’ should be used to give setters an easy and unmistakable way to place B after A.
SPURTLE: Finally (2-Across) help you stir hot oatmeal porridge (Mr X)
Annoyingly I didn’t see the ‘final letters’ trick until very late, so full credit to the writer for hiding it so well, but I’m not at all sure about the piece in brackets. Why ‘2-Across’? I’m tempted to suspect this is a device to suggest the word ‘to’, in other words, ‘Finally (to the following words)…’ but if that’s the case I have to regard it as wholly unfair. Some crossword editors have grudgingly accepted textspeak examples such as R (are) and U (you) because with these you do at least have some claim that they are just abbreviated forms, but we can’t sanction a move into the false numbers-for-words world of Phones4u or similar. These examples are just marketing tricks using puns and they will never be sanctioned by dictionaries because there’s no way we can claim that ‘2’ actually means ‘to’.
SPURTLE: Stirrer confined to porridge when smothering swimmer’s head in condiments (DA)
A nightmare to work this one out! I got there in the end but it was real test; sadly an unfair one. For those who haven’t noticed what’s going on here, the wordplay asks us to remove the T of TURTLE and replace it with S(alt) and P(epper). OK, the definition part of the clue stands up very well and its misleading wording is rather good. After that, however, we have ‘when’, a link word which just doesn’t belong – at a stretch we could extend it to ‘when presented as…’ but that’s asking a lot of the solver. The real problem, though, is the rest of the wordplay, which almost impossible to fathom. The idea of SP ‘smothering’ T doesn’t work for me as a replacement device; to smother something is to cover it up rather than put something else in its place. Next is the concept of S and P being acceptable as valid definitions for ‘salt and pepper’. Yes, you often see those letters on condiment containers, but they are identifying marks – you can’t really say that they are the condiments themselves. A popular device used similarly is CH referring to hot and cold taps, and in crosswords you might see an indication such as ‘taps letters’ or just ‘taps’ – the clue won’t define CH (or either of those two) as ‘water’ or something similar.
Tomorrow, the last instalment: Usufruct to Loroso’s three laureates.
Comments
Boniface — 25 February at 01:42AM
Wow - no country for old men! And another whole bunch of learnings about conventions I never even knew existed.
1. Re JD's PARAPH - My dictionaries show that EL is correct for L, not ELL which is an old unit of length.
However, I think Anax is right in suggesting the use of a screamer, but I wonder about inserting parentheses in the middle of a clue - it's not something we encounter often Down Under and snafus the surface reading IMO. Anax, DA what are the rules about that?
2. Sam's PARAPH - looks like you caught Anax out - well done! Anax seems to have missed the reference to measure in your clue as pH (a measure of acidity/basicity) and has perceived the reference to 'beyond' as something other than 'para'. A hard clue, no doubt, but based on his comments, Anax looks to have have missed the wordplay entirely...
3. SK's SEIGNORAGE clue was one of my faves before, so I feel a wee bit protective of it. Anax says, "If ‘pepper’ is operating as a verb it has to do so as an imperative, which means it has to go in front of the anagram fodder..."
OK, like KISS theory, that's Syntax 101, but surely it must be one convention that's honoured in the breach if the surface reading justifies it - as here, IMO. Thoughts?
I'm also a bit surprised Anax didn't comment on the introductory "For"... but the clue remains creme de la creme IMO.
4. With JT's SKIRL, I have to agree with Anax's reworking of the clue - would have been a beauty!
5. For SimonL's SKIRL, Anax says, "Since it’s far easier to show A before B it was mutually agreed between many editors that ‘on’ should be used to give setters an easy and unmistakable way to place B after A."
Don't think that's hit our shores yet, so you're a bit stiff to get that as a criticism IMO, SimonL. But I'll bear it in mind when tackling the next Indy(!)
6. Anax's view on the unfairness of the SPURTLE clues are his own. My only comment would be that it seems, as a general rule, that the longer and tanglier a clue is, the more prone it becomes to a challenge for unfairness.
Cheers All
Bon
DA — 25 February at 06:37AM
(1) Reckon the Noel trick is my evil influence. I am a recidivist when it comes to covert deletion cues, such as band (take away D), or gout (turf the G). Clearly not kosher in stricter realms.
(2) Never adored Sam's PARAPH. Very tough ask for the solver, to reach a tougher word, though at least the def is lucid.
(3) This is a new nicety for me. While it does make more grammatical sense to open with the imperative, in clue-ese, I've always considered this as merely the stronger of two options. A tough call, for a clue we all loved.
(4) A neat tweak by Loroso. Agreed. Those joiners are critical, and the very best make tight surface sense, and also serve as faithful instructions for the solver.
(5) Again, a new directive. In Fairfax, on is generally A is on B = AB. Or am I misreading this? I loved this clue at first blush, and downhill is rat-sneaky.
(6) That was my spurtle. I tried to create an idea of some larrikin in jail for a bizarre stunt involving food and a freestyler, but seems the upshot was TOO freestyle! (Diff'rent strokes?)
Sam — 25 February at 09:43AM
Agree with the criticism of my paraph, though thought I was being fair in giving a straightforward definition. I remember a few storms back someone made the point that if a clue needs to be justified (or introduced) it tends to fail as a clue, and perhaps this gets back to Anax’s comment about keeping things simple with tricky words and that “the crossword should be solvable by ‘the man on the Clapham omnibus’” without recall to reference books? Though with wifi perhaps people are better connected on public transport these days! Perhaps Mr.X’s variation would have been fairer – ‘by an acid test’ – which is more recognizable for ‘pH’? Technically I think mine fails anyway with a vague surface meaning, and apparently pH is a test of acidity/alkalinity, and not all bases are alkalis… It does bring up the question of what constitutes common knowledge in a clue – for example I’m always stumped by references to famous athletes in clues with no way round it but to google (if I recognize the reference).
Love the edit to your clue JT which tightens the surface sense, and I’m a bit confused by the ‘on’ rule?
Anthony Douglas — 25 February at 10:14AM
Sam, I think you're ok with 'base measure' - both in the technical sense and the crossword sense. In fact, you should be chuffed that you're with DA in slipping one past him!
(ie, alkali is a subset of base. And pH measures acidity/basicity...and so, necessarily, gets alkalinity too)
Interestingly, both yours and X's versions of the clue are pretty close to &lits - for such an obscure word, it seems extraordinary that there are multiple ways to get there! (DA - that's got to be an insanely tough Storm topic...!)
Even taking Anax's point about imperative instructions, I don't think this means they must go first. 'Quickly, run!' is perfectly legit grammatically, so it's possible that you might be able to get some fodder that finishes with an adverb. With pepper...we might have to restrict ourselves to the chilli plants...
On this clue, my opinion is that the 'for' rescues it. ie 'For "ages I ignore": pepper = mint cream'. Akin to 'in case of fire, break glass'.
And on X's 2-across, I'm surprised Anax didn't raise the grammar - the 2-across has to be a plural answer, and I assumed the number could be tailored to whichever across clue helped you out.
DA - would your spurtle work better if 'when' became 'for'?
Gosh this was a great idea, both of you!
Anthony Douglas — 25 February at 10:16AM
Just thought of it, simply because I just used 'gout' myself:
More flexible is 'gloss', in the sense of 'a minor adjustment'...
— 25 February at 11:02AM
Most of my reactions have been covered by the previous posts, but I was wondering if DA may have been able to use 'seasons' or 'seasoning' instead of condiments. Also, are Ximeneans and Libertarians like East and West, or can you dabble in both camps.
JD — 25 February at 11:02AM
My musings above.
SK — 25 February at 02:27PM
Thanks all for your supportive comments on my mint cream (version 34, I think it was...) Though I must admit that having seen Anax's comments on the earlier clues I was half expecting that I was pushing the "correctness" envelope in some way. But it was still fun (and, as we have all said, it has been a fantastic learning experience)
I remember using "pepper" as an after-burner in an earlier storm (Lisa Mitchell = lamest Chilli Peppers), and DA gave it a podium finish. Ah well, one man's meat etc.
Eld Jaws Anon — 26 February at 02:30PM
No-one seems to have commented much on Mr X's "spurtle". Perhaps if the "(2-across") were substituted for some other word, perhaps the clue could be rescued from Anax's comment? Would something like "devices" fit (it does grammatically, and helps perhaps with the definition side, plus it keeps the ending "s" for the acrostic)?